From: Todd S. Greene
To: Larry H. Fain
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:41 PM
Subject: Archive of discussion of "Open Letter" to Florida College


Hi, Larry Fain.

I'm informing you of this, just as I'm informing several other people.
To make it easy for me, I'm simply copying to you the announcement I'm
sending out. If you wish to disregard this email, please do so.

Regards,
Todd S. Greene

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I'm writing to you simply to inform you that I have just updated my
website with the complete archive of what was called the
CreationProcessAge discussion forum (which was recently removed from
Yahoo Groups). This discussion was directly prompted by "An Open Letter:
The Creation Account & Florida College" (see:
http://www.watchmanmag.com/0306/030613.htm ) and in this discussion we
showed the error of every major premise of the "Open Letter" group.

These discussions and the information contained in them are
directly relevant to Church Of Christ members. On my website are also
two other archives of discussions with YECs in the Church Of Christ, one
with the "Let Us Reason" group (Gil Yoder, Ron Cosby, Marion Fox,
Darrell Broking, and so on) and one with the Mars List group (David
Arnold and Steve Willis). In all of these discussions, the errors of
young earth creationism are clearly pointed out.

Here is the URL:

   » The YEC Discussion in the LUR ("Let Us Reason") Forum
   » The YEC Discussion in the CreationProcessAge Forum (archive)
   » The YEC Discussion in the Mars-List Forum

Anyone who wishes to discuss any specific issues regarding the subject
of creationism is, as always, welcome and invited to discuss them at:

   "Creationism" Discussion Group

From: Larry H. Fain
To: Todd S. Greene
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Archive of discussion of "Open Letter" to Florida College


God will judge every error of men and your denial of the truth about
creation will cost you your soul.

I dont know who you are, but as an enemy of the cross, my only concern is
that you will perish. I, like God, desire that no man perish but that all
should come to repentance.

You have not nor can you show ANY error concerning the "young earth
creationism" position as it is from God.

May God have mercy on your soul

LHF

From: Todd S. Greene
To: Larry H. Fain
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Archive of discussion of "Open Letter" to Florida College


Hi, Larry.

God will also judge those who preach error who obstinately refuse to
acknowledge and correct their error after having their error pointed
out to them clearly, directly, and unequivocally. Those who preach and
teach that the universe and the earth have not existed for more 6,000
years (or even, say, 10,000 years) are preaching and teaching what is
factually wrong about the world that we live in. Christians who teach
what is factually wrong and who obstinately refuse to accept any
correction whatsoever are Christians who are actively engaged in
sinful practice.

I am not an enemy of the cross. I *am* an enemy of those tho preach
and teach what is factually wrong about the world and who are very
obstinate in maintaining their error.

People who call themselves Christians have the responsibility to live
up to their own Christian standards of responsibility regarding honesty
and intellectual integrity. As a young earth creationist, you aren't
doing this. Even worse, you spend time and effort to attack people like
Hill Roberts who show that they *are* trying to live up to such
Christian standards. Thus, you demonstrate what can only be called
hypocrisy.

May your God have mercy on your soul.

The errors in the young earth creationism creed have been shown time
and time again, and the specific flaws in the "Open Letter" that you
signed have been described in detail in the discussion that is archived
on my website. Please ignore the flaws in your young earth creationism
creed, as I know you desire to do. This is precisely the way that young
earth creationists behave, so I don't expect anything different from
you.

Again, should you actually want to discuss the details of your
position, you are welcome and invited to do so at the discussion forum

   "Creationism" Discussion Group

Sincerely,
Todd S. Greene

From: Larry H. Fain
To: Todd S. Greene
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Archive of discussion of "Open Letter" to Florida College


Get a life

It is the only one you are likely to have

From: Todd S. Greene
To: Larry H. Fain
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Archive of discussion of "Open Letter" to Florida College


Hi, Larry.

I agree with you. This is exactly what I tell all of my young earth
creationist friends: "Get a life, man! The sun does not revolve around
the earth, no matter how much you don't like that fact. Grow up
already!"

Again, Larry, anytime you want to actually discuss the substantive
details of the subject, you are welcome and invited to do so at:

   "Creationism" Discussion Group

I also have a standing challenge to debate young earth creationists on
this subject. See my home page

   Greene's Creationism Truth Filter

where this challenge is issued. I also repeat the challenge on the
CreationProcessAge page that I originally told you about, at

   The CreationProcessAge Discussion on Creationism

On that page I have written:

     I have a standing challenge to meet any of the "Open Letter"
     authors or signers in any open forum, public or private, for
     written or spoken discussion or formal debate on the subject
     of young earth creationism. The pages of my website are open
     to them. They can write anything about the subject of
     creationism they wish to write, and then by digging into the
     details we shall continue to prove that their position is
     false because the facts about the world have already
     falsified it. I will meet them in any written forum open for
     discussion and demonstrate why their position is false. I
     will meet them in any open forum for public discussion,
     whether it be a hotel meeting room, college class room, or
     church auditorium. The home page of this website has carried
     a debate challenge on it almost since its inception, and
     none of these "Open Letter" advocates has taken up the
     challenge.

Of course, since I know that your position is entirely false, I know
that you'll run away from substantive criticism and debate, just like
you guys always do.

Have fun!

Regards,
Todd

From: Larry H. Fain
To: Todd S. Greene
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Archive of discussion of "Open Letter" to Florida College


You dont really call yourself a Christian do you?

--Go away and leave me alone...I dont have time for swine